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June 5, 2015   3DS, Original Content, Playeressence X Nintendo, Wii U   16 Comments

PE X Nintendo LIVE - Nintendo News + Q&A

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Yo! PE faithful, I’ll be holding a live PE X Nintendo tonight. Stop by, ask some questions and kick it with the PE community.

Author: Francis@PE (18361 Posts)


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  • Jon Turner

    I do agree that Nintendo will probably go with x86 for their next console. Whether it leads to better third party support or not, it’ll still be good for them to go with it. That way the door will still be open for it if thirds decide to do so.

    Also, whether Nintendo publishes Bravely Second or if SquareEnix does it themselves. Don’t care; either way, glad it’s coming stateside.

    • Titangamecube

      Explain the Sega Saturn and how despite being notably difficult to code for, got more Third Party support than the N64. Architecture, like power, disc size and the cartridges is not the issue. Its a laziness issue.

      • Jon Turner

        Actually, it WAS because of the decision for Nintendo to go with cartridges. Even with N64 being the most powerful system, having cartridges still cost them third party support big time. It didn’t help either, that Mr. Yamauchi was being quite harsh on thirds at the time, and charging high royalties for N64 games.

        Now as far as things are for today… yes, there have been third party titles recently that haven’t worked well on Day 1. But that’s beside the point. But back then during the Sega Saturn/PSX days, there WERE understandable reasons for thirds to back away from Nintendo, and Yamauchi’s strictness had something to do with it. Now as for the subsequent excuses each gen… the real issue is money. If thirds feel there’s no market for their games on Nintendo systems, then of course they’d be afraid to support them. People didn’t always buy third party games either on N64, GC, or Wii. There WERE some exceptions, of course, aka Tales of Symphonia, Resident Evil 4, and even several Call of Duty titles. Now having said that, yes, it WOULD have been preferable for thirds to make more of an effort to penetrate the WiiU market and not rush their ports. I also don’t condone the actions of EA, Ubisoft, and Slightly Mad. Those guys I DO hold accountable for dishonesty.

        But the real truth is far more complicated; it’s not just “evil third parties” or “innocent, perfect Nintendo”, and it’s not “bully Nintendo” or “naive thirds”. Both sides have made their share of errors. Both are responsible for this. The reason, as I see it anyway, is a mixture of all the above, not just thirds alone. Having said that do I appreciate the actions thirds have taken recently? Absolutely not. But do I appreciate every action Nintendo has made? No, of course not. Both have played a part in this mess.

        • Titangamecube

          “Actually, it WAS because of the decision for Nintendo to go with
          cartridges. Even with N64 being the most powerful system, having
          cartridges still cost them third party support big time. It didn’t help
          either, that Mr. Yamauchi was being quite harsh on thirds at the time,
          and charging high royalties for N64 games.”

          False, cartridges were never an issue outside of price and even that was only a small issue. Reports of Yamauchi being harsh is only a half truth. If by harsh, you mean being reasonable and honest to try and save the industry because lets be honest, there was a crash that happenedHe wasn’t just “harsh” to third parties but also the development team of Nintendo. If he was truly harsh, then developers from Nintendo would have left to form their own company like Activison had done. Miyamoto is still there, Aonuma is still there, and Iwata (Yes he was a developer) is currently the president of Nintendo.

          “Now as far as things are for today… yes, there have been third party titles recently that haven’t worked well on Day 1. But that’s beside the point. But back then during the Sega Saturn/PSX days, there WERE understandable reasons for thirds to back away from Nintendo, and Yamauchi’s strictness had something to do with it.”

          WHAT REASONS? The Sega Saturn flopped and the PS1 had Sony buying thirds out. And once again, he was being honest and reasonable but they saw that as him being harsh. And lets continue with thirds: Konami is in trouble, Square is in trouble, Capcom is in trouble and all of it is because they tried to adapt to an honest to god fickle western market.

          “Now as for the subsequent excuses each gen… GC was powerful all right, but it also had 1.5GB storage discs, and Wii was a gen behind…” And yet, we had Wind Waker, Pikmin, Metroid Prime and other good games. The problem is thirds did not bring their A game…AT ALL. If they did, then they have a reason but they didn’t. How do I know this? Matthew brought up this point about the Sega Genesis: The soundchip in the genesis was capable of producing some good sounds but I’ll admit, it didn’t age well but that doesn’t excuse third parties for not even trying with it as later and later, the soundtracks sounded like shit. Now as for the Wii being a gen behind, guess what sold the most consoles? Exactly. Power means shit.

          “but the real issue is money. If thirds feel there’s no market for
          their games on Nintendo systems, then of course they’d be afraid to
          support them. People didn’t always buy third party games either on N64,GC, or Wii.” I bought Resident Evil 4, Bayonetta 2, The Tony Hawk games, and countless other third party games. Its a laziness issue once again.

          “But the real truth is far more complicated; it’s not just “evil third
          parties” or “innocent, perfect Nintendo”, and it’s not “bully Nintendo” or “naive thirds”. Both sides have made their share of errors.” If the evidence holds truth, then yes Nintendo is for the most part innocent where as thirds are for the most part guilty. The only thing I can fault Nintendo for and not some petty ass shit like some thirds and people would like you believe is trusting Thirds to begin with. Collabs are perfectly fine because they are what they are, collabs meaning Nintendo has control. But trusting ones like WB and Ubisoft and EA? Fuck them

          Denial is not just a river in egypt.

          • Jon Turner

            If you’re going to respond to my posts this disrespectfully and aggressively, then don’t expect me to respond to yours the next time you question any of mine. I was simply stating that I was agreeing with what Francis said about Nintendo probably using x86. That’s all. If you’re going to criticize me I simply won’t respond.

          • Titangamecube

            Oh so when I call you out, Im being aggressive? You’re the one whos in denial about the situation in denial and then try to make excuses for the third. This whole NX situation is nothing but clickbait at this point. Like I said before, denial is not just a river in egypt.

          • Jon Turner

            I’m not denying anything. I am simply offering my take on the situation. You don’t have to agree with it if you don’t want to, but if you take my posts as attacks and “defending”, I’m sorry, because they’re not meant as such.

          • Titangamecube

            And here’s the problem: why would want to give third parties more excuses to make shit ports. All x86 architecture means is that we are going to see even less effort for games being made. Look at the ps4 and Xbox 1: games are buggy messes because developers don’t give a damn. When they stop giving a damn, I stop buying their games.

        • alex9234

          “Even with N64 being the most powerful system, having cartridges still cost them third party support big time. It didn’t help either, that Mr. Yamauchi was being quite harsh on thirds at the time, and charging high royalties for N64 games.” - PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE! Stop spreading this awful lie! It had nothing to do with royalties or license fees because 3rd parties made PLENTY of money off the NES and SNES which had those same fees. Royalties are a red-herring. Period. It had everything to do with Sony’s bribes. And then when Microsoft came in it got even worse. You can’t blame Nintendo for this because what reasons do 3rd parties have to move to Nintendo when Sony and Microsoft are bribing them? Carts are a red herring that they used as an excuse to ignore the N64 because Sony paid them to support the PS1. It was never really an issue outside of price (even that was a small issue too), and Resident Evil 2 easily disputes the N64 cart limits. Yamauchi being harsh isn’t exactly true. He acted the way he was because he didn’t want another crash to happen, and as for the policies he inforced - more than a few people would tell you that the actions that Yamauchi took were REQUIRED after what happened with Atari. The only 3rd parties that he was really “harsh” on were Namco and Square because the people there hated his guts with a passion and wanted to see him fail. Yamauchi is THE reason why you got games like Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy VI. At least respect him for that. If Yamauchi being strict was the real reason why 3rd parties left, then they would have jumped ship to Sega long before Sony came in. But they didn’t. Period.

          “But back then during the Sega Saturn/PSX days, there WERE understandable reasons for thirds to back away from Nintendo, and Yamauchi’s strictness had something to do with it.” - Wrong. There were no reasons for them to back away. The Saturn was a commercial FAILURE (with only 9 million units sold worldwide, I’ll say that again: 9 MILLION!!!), with a capital F, coupled with an abysmal attach rate, and the fact that it was extremely expensive and difficult to develop for, yet it was still treated better than the N64 by 3rd parties. Onto the Dreamcast: It may have been easy to develop for, but like the Saturn, it too was a commercial failure (10 million units sold), yet it still got better support than the GameCube (both consoles had around the same amount of games). I don’t mean more, I mean better. But Sega still got FAR worse support than Sony did. They may have gotten much better support than Nintendo but it was still NOTHING compared to what Sony got. And as for the PS1, 3rds came to them because Sony flashed their cash. Nothing more, nothing less. Also, Sony had Square set up secret meetings with prominent Japanese developers to get them to shift their N64 projects to the PS1. Dragon Quest VII is the really big one that Square admitted to but there were others as well.

          “If thirds feel there’s no market for their games on Nintendo systems, then of course they’d be afraid to support them.” - If I hear this excuse again I’m going to scream at the top of my lungs. It has nothing to do with them being afraid because the Nintendo fanbase has an even LONGER history of buying their games than the Sony and Microsoft audiences, and even Sega’s too. All the way back to the NES and SNES. You know, the eras that EVERYONE likes to ignore when they say that 3rd party games don’t sell on Nintendo systems? They know their games will sell well if they put effort into them. They know that they will turn a tidy profit off them. They won’t do it because they want Nintendo as a slave like they do with Sony and Microsoft and back in the day, Sega. If 3rd parties refuse to try on a Nintendo platform, then OF COURSE there will be no market for them, Sherlock. You can’t sell something if it doesn’t exist to begin with.

          “But the real truth is far more complicated; it’s not just “evil third parties” or “innocent, perfect Nintendo”, and it’s not “bully Nintendo” or “naive thirds”. Both sides have made their share of errors. Both are responsible for this. The reason, as I see it anyway, is a mixture of all the above, not just thirds alone.” - No, no, no. This is a 3rd party issue here and it has nothing to do with Nintendo. The issues that you’re attacking Nintendo for here are out of their control. They’ve been fighting a losing battle with 3rd parties all this time, and even back when they did have full support they were still fighting a losing battle with them! There is nothing they can do short of going bankrupt bribing 3rd parties to get their support back. The days of the NES and SNES are long gone and they are never coming back (wish all you want, but it’s not 1992.). If there’s anyone responsible here, it’s Sega, because they started the trend of kowtowing to 3rd parties for support when they let EA and Namco have their way with them just to get their games on the Genesis - and they Sony changed it to paying 3rd parties, and it only got worse from there.

        • alex9234

          One more thing:
          You say that the SNES is the last Nintendo console to not have any issues. Don’t you think that’s just slightly coincidental that the 4th generation is the last generation before Sony showed up and started paying off 3rd parties? And then Microsoft came to help them with it, and…well…the rest is history. Just look at what you’ve been saying and just look at what was going on at that time. You’ll see the truth if you’re actually willing to accept it.

  • BigDog Elite

    Android real easy to hack, I don’t think Nintendo wants their stuff to get hack all the time.

  • rafael

    heheh cute, she just wanted her peach amiibo

  • Jon Turner

    Sorry. I missed it. :(

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      You can watch it anytime

  • Phantom_6thMan
    • PRIMUS

      I cannot right now lol!
      Dunban’s blossom dance is one of the greatest moves and under quoted fighting phrases ever.