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August 17, 2015   Nintendo NX, Wii U   42 Comments

What to Expect from the Nintendo NX - GamingBolt

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GamingBolt’s Pramath Parijat runs down a host of topics concerning the Nintendo NX. Specs, third-party support, games…. and more are all discussed. Check it out on GamingBolt here, then come back to PE to discuss. 

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  • Tedthesporthead

    pretty harsh critique on Wii & Wii U hardware

  • getagrip

    nintendo doesnt need to move away from its evolutions it need to embrace them

    give us a pro pad plus,its a pro pad with a ir pointer and 9 axis gyro and NFC built in that way we have every angle covered, combine all he upto date controlling techs and buttons sticks into one device

    like that 3rd party pad the the pro controler u that had everything in one,but obviously with nintendos build qoality and comfort maintain backward compatable with existing controls

    continue the gamepad thing with a new handheld

    bundles NX console and pro pad plus

    nx handheld

    nx handheld and console combo

    have all other controllers bearing the nx name (whatever that is) and maintain compatable use

    a do it all pad would be amazing combine pro pad with ir pointer and motion plus COMMONSENSE

    push the idea of owning both nx console and handheld

    IF THRES A NEW “”””GIMMICK AS PEOPLE BLINDLY REFER TO THEM””” COMING LETS SEE WHAT IT IS

  • Jon Turner

    The comment about Wii making them irrelevant in spite of its massive success is the one thing that ruffles my feathers, but otherwise I agree with this article big time.

    Also, yes, they are absolutely right about Nintendo NEEDING third party games and that it is not impossible to get them back. This is what I’ve been saying again and again, and before anybody argues otherwise, that’s one of the main reasons that people have gradually been becoming tired of Nintendo’s subsequent systems. Although GC and Wii had a little better support than N64, it was nowhere near the level of SNES/NES level and even GC has never been this nonexistent in that department. There’s no point arguing about whether Nintendo needs third parties or not anymore. The truth: Yes, they absolutely do. ON that note, bravo to them for getting DQXI on NX.

    • FalconLawnch

      It’s harsh, but the numbers don’t lie.

    • Travis Touchdown

      Third party games? What third party games? It can’t be on the ones on PS4/Xbox One/PC, because they aren’t any good.

      • Jon Turner

        Did you actually play any of those games? Now I haven’t played any of them myself, but I still say that saying there are no good games on those systems is just like saying there are no good, worthwhile games on WiiU. Perhaps it’s because of my experience with a PS3, but I’ve realized it’s not fair to write off games on other systems just because they’re not on the ones of my choice. Furthermore, if you haven’t actually played them, how can you say that they are bad? I might argue that Resident Evil Revelations 2, while perhaps not as memorable as the original, has its high points. The Evil Within, too, is interesting. Now these two are technically down ports from PS4, but still my argument stands. Just because there are good games on WiiU doesn’t mean that there aren’t any on other systems. These three included. I realized that it was wrong of me to make such judgments before actually playing those games.

        Look, Nintendo can’t keep doing things their own way. It’s obviously not working with WiiU. They will have to make changes. And that includes making their hardware compatible enough to provide third party titles. You may not particularly care for them, but every system, Nintendo’s included, needs games. Third party titles included. It’s the only way to provide variety. Nintendo can’t fill all those genres alone; it’s stretching them too thin.

        • Travis Touchdown

          Yes, I have played all of those games… on my PS3. I’m being completely serious when I say that the PS4 is a paperweight of a console, one that isn’t worth mine or anyone else’s time.

          Nintendo’s doing an excellent job of utilizing third party devs that actually matter… the few that actually want to make games and not movies.

          • Jon Turner

            Are you including the titles that are PS4/XB1 only that are not even on PS3? If so, then sorry, I can’t take your argument seriously. At all.

            “Nintendo’s doing an excellent job of utilizing third party devs that actually matter”

            No, they’re not.

            If they were, then we would be seeing more games come out than we are right now. The manipulation of the media has nothing to do with it.

            You may not like the PS4, but guess what? The people who have purchased it are very, very likely to disagree with you. Now I may not acquire a PS4 myself, but to say it’s not worth anything… well, that’s just acquired taste on your part. Some of those people actually happen to LIKE that system. And there really is no need to look down upon people who prefer to get a PS4 anymore than there is a need to put down people who prefer a Nintendo console. What if some people acquire both?

  • Marsega

    I… don’t really agree with the whole ‘they don’t have another chance if the NX fails”, but other than that, I think the article wasn’t that bad.

  • getagrip

    THE ARTICLE IS AGAIN LIKE EVERY OTHER INSISTING NINTENDO MAKE A PLAYSTATION OR XBOX A GENERIC BOX

    THERE IS NO GIMMICKS ON WII U ONLY FORWARD THINKING EVOLUTION

    SPLATOONS GYROSCOPE IS NOT A GIMICK ITS A BETTER UPTO DATE CONTROL SYSTEM

    DUALSHOCK4, LAPTOP FINGER PANEL AND LIGHTBULB ARE GIMMICKS

  • Travis Touchdown

    >any, but also, it sounds as if it will be the machine to finally get Nintendo back into the game, after nearly ten years of Wii made them a non factor in the larger industry’s ecosystem.

    I had no idea that releasing one of the most profitable consoles ever made made you irrelevant in the industry.

    >Since then, we have received several indications that the NX is in fact a brand new console. Specifically, Nintendo’s own developers have referred to the NX as the Wii U’s successor. For instance, speaking to Eurogamer at E3, Metroid Prime series producer Kensuke Tanabe said that a new mainline game in the franchise was probably going to come on the NX over the Wii U.

    How does that indicate anything? Nothing in that statement indicated that NX was a home console. This is just putting words in people’s mouths.

    >But here is the killer question- will there be any gimmick to the Nintendo NX? Although Nintendo has been a pioneering force in the gaming industry, with several major advancements, such as the Dpad, shoulder buttons, analog stick, controller vibration, motion controls, and touch screens all attributed to them, their propensity for gimmicks at the expense of the overall system architecture – such as with the DS and especially Wii and Wii U – is what has led them to their current predicament in the first place.

    This is incorrect. There is absolutely noting with the controllers for those consoles. You can not blame the incompetence of third parties on Nintendo’s hardware decisions.

    >One very important aspect of this is the hardware. The reason that the Wii and Wii U ultimately suffered was because their hardware made it financially unviable for third parties to develop versions of their games for those systems- the hardware, being so much weaker, was too different for them to devote an all new team just for that, especially given the historic weakness of third party sales performance on Nintendo systems.

    Ahahahahahahaha. No. This is an outright lie. You can’t thrive on systems you don’t support. There was absolutely nothing wrong with sales on NES and SNES, back when Nintendo WERE putting considerable restrictions on third party games, After the N64 hit, all we have been getting are late, inferior ports and remakes of old games.

    And I’m fairly sure that games that regularly have been coming out on Nintendo platforms anyway (Skylanders and COD come to mind) sold perfectly well. I’m by no means an expert, but it’s not Nintendo’s fault for the laziness of third parties.

    >Slightly Mad Studios is apparently looking at the NX too, as they have opted to cancel the Wii U version of Project CARS, and decided to move development to the NX.

    Ahahahahahahaha.

    > But perhaps the most ringing endorsement for the NX comes from Square Enix. The very first NX games ever announced were announced by Square Enix, when they stated, in no uncertain terms, that Dragon Quest X and Dragon Quest XI would be coming to the NX (the announcement was later partially retracted, presumably because Nintendo themselves have not officially unveiled the NX yet). That’s not all, either, as they have also publicly discussed the prospect of Final Fantasy XIV hitting the NX.

    Ignoring that there is also a 3DS version of Dragon Quest, and that Final Fantasy XIV is a rather old game. I wouldn’t be surprised if they gave us the vanilla version that doesn’t work.

    >This, then, begs the question- just what are Nintendo’s own teams doing? The easy and exciting answer? They are working on games for the NX.

    Nothing you’ve demonstrated at this point indicates that at all.

    So yeah, nothing in the article brings forth any new information that hasn’t already been debunked months ago by enthusiasts. The fact that they consider a NEOgaf forum post to be a reliable source of information says a lot about it.

    • awang0718

      ” had no idea that releasing one of the most profitable consoles ever made made you irrelevant in the industry.”

      Being one of the industry’s most profitable consoles won’t mean much when its direct followup will struggle to sell 15% of what its predecessor sold. Sustained success matters a lot more than amazing but temporary gratification.

      “How does that indicate anything? Nothing in that statement indicated that NX was a home console. This is just putting words in people’s mouths.”

      Well, all the previous mainline Metroid Prime games were on home consoles, and all reasons point to this trend continuing…unless of course, the NX handheld (if it is just a handheld) exceeds the Wii U in hardware specs (unlikely).

      “This is incorrect. There is absolutely noting with the controllers for those consoles. You can not blame the incompetence of third parties on Nintendo’s hardware decisions.”

      It’ not that the controllers are bad; it’s that Nintendo prioritizes the controller interface over everything else (third party support, hardware specs, online infrastructure, features + capabilities).

      “This is an outright lie. You can’t thrive on systems you don’t support. There was absolutely nothing wrong with sales on NES and SNES, back when Nintendo WERE putting considerable restrictions on third party games, After the N64 hit, all we have been getting are late, inferior ports and remakes of old games.”

      Those restrictions on the NES/SNES was one reason why third party developers were so willing to jump ship from N64 to PS1 (the other reason being the N64’s cartridges). Also, Skylanders sells well on Wii U (at least more that its PS4 and Xbox One counterparts) which is why Skylanders is still on the Wii U, while Call of Duty sales on Wii U are garbage (Ghosts sold more on PS4 on its launch days than both Wii U Call of Duties combined).

      “Ignoring that there is also a 3DS version of Dragon Quest, and that Final Fantasy XIV is a rather old game. I wouldn’t be surprised if they gave us the vanilla version that doesn’t work.”

      A game that doesn’t work?? As much as you may despise SE, they are not going to release a game on a Nintendo platform that “doesn’t work” just because you think they want to “screw over Nintendo for being Nintendo.”

      “Nothing you’ve demonstrated at this point indicates that at all.”
      Yes, because Nintendo’s Wii U 2016 lineup is so “amazing”, they can’t possibly be working on the NX…

      • Travis Touchdown

        Again, nothing you’ve said really holds water. You’re going to look awfully stupid come next Nintendo Direct when they start unveiling Wii U game after Wii U game.

        What, are you going to tell me that they’re not releasing Devil’s Third in NA because it wasn’t at E3? Come on, now. E3 isn’t relevant.

        • Jon Turner

          Telling people that they’re going to look stupid is not only disrespectful, it’s insulting. What if those people are speaking from genuine disappointment? Nintendo didn’t do a particularly good job of making their lineup seem relevant this year. Their show at E3 was disappointing. The Directs they use are not even enough to stir interest from anyone except diehard Nintendo fans. Furthermore, how do you know that there’s going to be another Nintendo Direct with more WiiU games revealed? No one can. Nobody knows that for sure. Seriously, if this year’s E3 taught me anything, it’s that one can’t always decide HOW the future is going to play out. Chances are there won’t even be another Direct with other WiiU titles confirmed, especially given the way things are going.

          • Travis Touchdown

            It’s not insulting, because they’re outright ignoring facts in order to push a narrative that isn’t there. They deserve to be criticized for their actions.

            And that’s funny… I’m fairly certain Nintendo Directs are met with considerable anticipation among the community, and have been very well received thus far. The only real problem with them is that group of people who think that Nintendo should ALWAYS reveal big new games in Directs, but that’s more of a problem with the fanbase than anything else.

          • Jon Turner

            It’s not pushing a narrative. If people are genuinely disappointed, they are disappointed. It has NOTHING to do with that. Yes, there may be some people who may be pushing an agenda, but that’s not what Francis is doing here. And neither are awang0718 or FalconLawnch. Both ARE genuinely concerned with how Nintendo is doing, and we don’t believe we’re the ones who are “ignorant” and who “deserve to be criticized.” We are just making suggestions on how Nintendo can improve, and sorry, they are not doing a particularly good job with handling their systems right now. Least of all WiiU. Go ahead, argue otherwise, but the truth is that people are disappointed in WiiU for a reason. Simply put: it doesn’t offer enough games for people to choose from. And Nintendo did very little to improve that.

        • awang0718

          LOLOLOL The only time Nintendo has ever announced “Wii U game after Wii U game” is during E3. They did a great job at E3 2014, when new games like Captain Toad, Kirby Rainbow Curse, Mario Maker, Mario Party 10, Splatoon, Project Guard/Giant Robot (where the hell are those two games anyways?), Zelda, and even a hint at StarFox were all shown off. At this year’s E3, the only new title Nintendo showed off was Animal Crossing amiibo Party. If you actually think Nintendo will just drop a random Nintendo Direct that will unveil “Wii U game after Wii U game”, then your expectations for the company are misplaced.

          “E3 isn’t relevant”

          Brah you must be real salty to believe that. E3 is the world’s largest video game trade show. The amount of coverage a single E3 gets greatly exceeds the amount of coverage any Nintendo Direct will get. This is a “momentum business” and there is no better place to provide momentum than at E3.

          • Travis Touchdown

            Nintendo Directs mean nothing to you, then? They’ve announced big games on there before. I believe Xenoblade and Woolly World were both revealed in Directs.

            E3 is irrelevant. There’s a reason why Microsoft and Sony revealed their consoles in different events.

          • awang0718

            I never said they meant nothing. I said that E3 is far bigger than Nintendo Directs. Both XCX and YWW were shown off at E3 2013 (and E3 2014 and E3 2015…what an overkill).

            Microsoft and Sony revealed Xbox One and PS4 at different events…and then spent their 2013 E3s talking solely about the launch games/details of both their next gen hardware. GOing back, Nintendo revealed and highlighted launch games/details the Wii U during E3 2011 and 2012 respectively. So no…E3 is not irrelevant.

          • FalconLawnch

            Nintendo Directs only mean something to people who are already invested in Nintendo… and their number has been shrinking rapidly in the past couple years.

        • http://playeressence.com/ PlayerEssence

          Nintendo isn’t going to have a direct revealing a bunch of Wii U games….Nintendo’s big teams have moved on to the NX.

    • FalconLawnch

      “I had no idea that releasing one of the most profitable consoles ever made made you irrelevant in the industry.”

      It did exactly that, though. The Wii, as successful as it may have been, was a one-time bailout that resulted in a large, but unsustainable audience. The consumers that viewed the Wii as a cool party/workout machine either moved on to smartphones and tablets or didn’t feel engaged enough with the brand to upgrade. Those who developed a taste for traditional gaming moved on to (as much as you hate to hear it) better gaming platforms with a bigger, much more varied software library, better technology and features - PC, PlayStation and Xbox.

      Meanwhile, the Wii U is sitting at Dreamcast numbers, no one aside from indie developers with already lowered expectations want to touch a Wii U devkit and Nintendo’s mindshare and customer confidence among the mass market is at its lowest point since they entered the industry. They are absolutely on a path to irrelevance if they keep this up.

      “You can not blame the incompetence of third parties on Nintendo’s hardware decisions.”

      Platform holder doesn’t give developers hardware they actually want to work on = developers ignore said platform holder. Simple as that.

      “There was absolutely nothing wrong with sales on NES and SNES, back when Nintendo WERE putting considerable restrictions on third party games, After the N64 hit, all we have been getting are late, inferior ports and remakes of old games.”

      Of course. The main reason why third parties supported Nintendo back then was that Nintendo were literally the only game in town. The minute a better alternative appeared in the PS1, most developers were more than happy to jump ship and treat Nintendo as an afterthought, especially when nearly all of their PS1 projects sold much better than they ever did on a Nintendo platform. Third parties realized they didn’t need Nintendo in order to succeed, and Nintendo has done very little to get them back, hence the sub-par or nonexistent support since the N64.

      • Travis Touchdown

        There was absolutely no reason for the Wii to be seen as this casual gaming machine: That was entirely due to corruption from the gaming press. The Wii had far better titles in far more genres than the competition, and the Wii U is no different.

        Your claims are not backed up by anything we have seen: To suggest that games on NES and SNES weren’t successful is, to be frank, completely ridiculous. Third parties supported the PS1 due to Sony’s ridiculous tendency to pointlessly throw money… they gave Square a $100 million dollar for Final Fantasy VII. And look at where they are now, years later, remaking the same game because they haven’t come up with anything better in all of that time.

        Third parties are absolutely not worth pandering to. They are too expensive for what they are, and provide absolutely nothing to to industry besides a few token brand names that are swiftly being killed off.

        • awang0718

          If Nintendo’s new CEO has the same mindset as you, I prey for their survival in this market…

          • Travis Touchdown

            Paying off third parties for mere ports is an idiotic idea, and I think Nintendo agrees with me.

            Nintendo is very interested in building up their mature audience this gen. Itagaki has said as much, what with their pushing of Bayonetta 2 and Devil’s Third forward as exclusives. Nintendo even owns the Devil’s Third IP.

          • awang0718

            Nintendo needs third party support. If paying for third party support is the only way for it to happen, then they should consider doing so. It is sad that I have to say that, because if this was any previous generation, where Nintendo actually had at least some meaningful third party support, I would never make a statement like that.

            The Wii U has a whopping 2 first party mature games this gen so far. Bayonetta 2 and Devil’s Third. Building up a mature audience will require a lot more than 2 games.

          • Jon Turner

            Nobody said Nintendo has to pay for EVERY single third party port, but sitting around doing nothing will just make the situation worse. And it already HAS become much worse.

          • FalconLawnch

            So interested that the only mature projects they pick up are niche, low-budget games that everyone else have already passed on.

            Not to mention that Devil’s Third is certified junk.

          • awang0718

            Yep pretty much lol…

            Though I do have to admire Nintendo for rescuing those two games from death, they are not gonna “build” a mature audience.

        • FalconLawnch

          “The Wii had far better titles in far more genres than the competition, and the Wii U is no different.”

          Did you honestly type that out with a straight face? Let’s go through the list, shall we?

          - Sports games: Best on PS360 aside from the Tiger Woods games.
          - Racing games: Mario Kart and the two Excite games don’t make up for the PS360’s bigger and better racing library.
          - JRPGs: Even the *Xbox 360* had more JRPGs than the Wii and the PS3 trounces it.
          - WRPGs: The Wii had none.
          - Fighting games: Brawl and Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom don’t make up for the PS360’s bigger and better fighting game library.
          - FPS: The PS360 had a bigger and better library.
          - TPS: Wii had none aside from a port of RE4.
          - Shoot-em-up: The Xbox 360 was the shmup system last gen, Wii barely had any.
          - Action-adventure/sandbox: The PS360 had a bigger and better library. The Wii had the two Zeldas, the No More Heroes games (which are not exclusive) and that’s about it.
          - Character action: The Wii had none.

          - Platformers: Wii dominates here, no questions asked.
          - Party/casual/puzzle games: The Wii is also very strong in this category.
          - Survival horror: Pretty much a wash, though I’ll give the edge to the Wii.
          - Point-and-click adventure: Best on Wii.
          - Rail shooters: Best on Wii.

          The Wii only beats the other consoles in 5 major genres out of 15. What makes it worse is that the PS360 at least had some decent offerings in some of the genres in which the Wii is superior (platformers, party games and survival horror for both, rail shooters and adventure games for the PS3), while the Wii had almost zero presence in genres like fighting games, character action games and especially WRPGs and TPS.

          “To suggest that games on NES and SNES weren’t successful is, to be frank, completely ridiculous.”

          That’s not what I suggested, though. What I said was that third parties, for the most part, became much more successful and sold a lot more software on the PS1 than they did on the NES or SNES.

          Squaresoft, Capcom, Konami, Namco, Atlus, Tecmo, Koei, Bandai, Take-Two, Ubisoft, EA, Acclaim, THQ, Midway, Activision… All of these publishers sold significantly more software on the PS1 compared to the NES or SNES. The only major publishers that didn’t become particularly more successful after the transition were LucasArts and Enix, and the latter is mainly because they were a very late adopter of the PS1 compared to other Japanese third parties. You can verify all of this for yourself by looking up and comparing the sales numbers.

          • Jon Turner

            I will say that the number of Wii JRPGs were still higher than the ones for GC and N64 and WiiU though. Nowhere nearly as high as in SNES however.

          • FalconLawnch

            I actually felt the GC had a stronger JRPG library than the Wii.

            GC:
            Skies of Arcadia Legends
            Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
            Baten Kaitos
            Tales of Symphonia
            Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance
            Phantasy Star Online Ep. 1 & 2
            Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles

            Wii:
            Xenoblade Chronicles
            The Last Story
            Pandora’s Tower
            Baten Kaitos Origins
            Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
            Tales of Graces
            Dragon Quest X

            The N64 and Wii U aren’t even worth mentioning - they’re basically competing with the original Xbox for the title of worst JRPG library on a moderately successful home console.

          • Jon Turner

            A couple things: 1) Baten Kaitos Origins was for GameCube.

            2) Those games mentioned in them WERE great, yes. But there was also on Wii:
            Dragon Quest Swords
            FFCC: Crystal Bearers
            Chocobo’s Dungeon
            Sakura Wars
            Fragile Dreams
            Shiren the Wanderer
            Arc Rise Fantasia
            Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World

            So technically, the argument for how many more JRPGs there were on Wii does outweigh the ones on GameCube. Although having said that, the Wii ones WERE a mixed bag. DQS was good but felt very incomplete. Crystal Bearers had awesome graphics and an imaginative world but again, felt incomplete. Chocobo’s Dungeon is pretty good, but not outstanding. Sakura Wars was awesome; one of my favorite games on Wii. Fragile Dreams was flawed but still beautiful and very much worth playing Shiren the Wanderer is fun, but difficult. ARF is pretty good, albeit brought down by some REALLY bad voice acting. I actually liked ToS DoTNW. It was not on par with the superior Symphonia by any means, but it was still a very enjoyable little game and I did have a blast with it even so. Having said that, though, XBC and The Last Story were both awesome.

            As for GameCube, absolutely TALES OF SYMPHONIA was wonderful. It’s one of my favorite games of all time as well.

            Again, it’s a bit of a subjective argument, but both GC and Wii had more JRPGs than N64/WiiU (I agree, not worth mentioning), but nowhere nearly as much as the SNES/NES. That is, comparatively speaking to Nintendo’s own systems.

          • FalconLawnch

            I knew I was missing something, Sakura Wars was a very good game.

            It’s true that the Wii had more JRPGs overall but like you said, a lot of the lesser-known ones were very hit-or-miss.

  • awang0718

    A very well researched article. Bravo, Gamingbolt! More people need to read this article.

    • Travis Touchdown

      It’s not, by the way.

      Generally speaking, they cite things like unconfirmed posts on NEOgaf, rumors, and information taken entirely out of context (That statement about Slightly Mad studios in particular comes to mind)

      • awang0718

        They do reference the DigiTimes “Wii U will launch in July 2016″ article, which is a garbage article from a sketchy source that has often gotten rumors (about Apple, a much larger company that is easier to receive leaked information) wrong.

        Other than that, everything they have stated is pretty much legit. The article quotes a few Nintendo execs, references Square Enix’s weird NX related activity, and analyzes market trends to make his well supported claims. This is no “NX gonna be hybrid cuz I want it to be” article.

        Also, what is wrong about the Slightly Mad statement??

  • getagrip

    stopped reading at …… Wii made them a non factor in the larger industry’s ecosystem.

    lol utter bullshit wii made tem THEE FACTOR nintendo doesnt exist for the idiot industry it exists for gaming and ts self

    highest profiting system in all history and the most advanced forward thiking controls a NON FACTOR,i think not

    translation for non factor wii DESIMATED ITS ENEMYS

  • FalconLawnch

    One of the best and most well-researched articles on the NX I’ve read so far.

    • Travis Touchdown

      You’re easily impressed.

      • FalconLawnch

        Well, the author specifically pointing out that the NX is very unlikely to be a hybrid system that functions as a handheld and docks to your TV already makes it better than 99% of the NX articles and videos out there.

    • kingofthesofa

      This is sarcasm , isn’t it ?